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		<title>By: Turty Squip</title>
		<link>http://sacrag.com/2008/07/more-on-the-corti-move/#comment-46563</link>
		<dc:creator>Turty Squip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest news: Good Food (or whatever wierd name the Raleys maven selected) will NOT be moving in.  Current land owner now holds two signed pieces of paper obligating someone to do something.  Lawsuits will abound.  I sense an Environmental Impact Study!

In other words, Sacramento will soon be getting a new parking lot where Cortis currently sits!  I just hope they match the new property fence to the current fence just to Corti's west.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest news: Good Food (or whatever wierd name the Raleys maven selected) will NOT be moving in.  Current land owner now holds two signed pieces of paper obligating someone to do something.  Lawsuits will abound.  I sense an Environmental Impact Study!</p>
<p>In other words, Sacramento will soon be getting a new parking lot where Cortis currently sits!  I just hope they match the new property fence to the current fence just to Corti&#8217;s west.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://sacrag.com/2008/07/more-on-the-corti-move/#comment-45563</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People,

A lease is an obligation between two parties, a Landlord and a Tenant.  In exchange for the property for a set rent and term, the Landlord leases the Property to the Tenant.  Aside from rent and term, there are several other items in a lease that make up the contract that bind the two parties.  

Most often a Tenant will stay in a month-to-month lease or prefer to be in one if they simply are unsure where they want to take their business: relocate in a smaller space, a larger space, or simply close up shop.  He/she needs flexibility and the peace of mind that he/she is not liable for rent owed.  

It is the Landlord prerogative to get the best cash flow for his/her investment, period.  

He/she might want a mo-to-mo to delay a major renovation, redevelopment, or new direction they want to take with the property.

Retail, in particular food service and food related stores, is in the toilet.  If you can double your rent in a location and lock up the cash flow for long term, you do it.  Davis owns property all over town and I'm sure some of her other properties aren't meeting proforma.  I have also heard though she is a certifiable nut job.  

The Corti’s I feel weren’t and still aren’t sure what they want to do with their family business.  It is difficult to have a succession plan in place with such a dynamic family.

With this amount of uncertainty in the market and in your Tenant’s long term goals, you cannot fret on a good business decision.  The shit thing now is I believe Darrell now knows he wants to continue his legacy and regrets not coming to Jesus earlier.

That is the bottom-line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People,</p>
<p>A lease is an obligation between two parties, a Landlord and a Tenant.  In exchange for the property for a set rent and term, the Landlord leases the Property to the Tenant.  Aside from rent and term, there are several other items in a lease that make up the contract that bind the two parties.  </p>
<p>Most often a Tenant will stay in a month-to-month lease or prefer to be in one if they simply are unsure where they want to take their business: relocate in a smaller space, a larger space, or simply close up shop.  He/she needs flexibility and the peace of mind that he/she is not liable for rent owed.  </p>
<p>It is the Landlord prerogative to get the best cash flow for his/her investment, period.  </p>
<p>He/she might want a mo-to-mo to delay a major renovation, redevelopment, or new direction they want to take with the property.</p>
<p>Retail, in particular food service and food related stores, is in the toilet.  If you can double your rent in a location and lock up the cash flow for long term, you do it.  Davis owns property all over town and I&#8217;m sure some of her other properties aren&#8217;t meeting proforma.  I have also heard though she is a certifiable nut job.  </p>
<p>The Corti’s I feel weren’t and still aren’t sure what they want to do with their family business.  It is difficult to have a succession plan in place with such a dynamic family.</p>
<p>With this amount of uncertainty in the market and in your Tenant’s long term goals, you cannot fret on a good business decision.  The shit thing now is I believe Darrell now knows he wants to continue his legacy and regrets not coming to Jesus earlier.</p>
<p>That is the bottom-line.</p>
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		<title>By: RunnerGirl</title>
		<link>http://sacrag.com/2008/07/more-on-the-corti-move/#comment-45559</link>
		<dc:creator>RunnerGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Wow…how many comments on one post?!!"

The answer is "lemon grass beef with egg roll" (which is what the number "52" usually means to me in my own special OCD/Rainman way.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Wow…how many comments on one post?!!&#8221;</p>
<p>The answer is &#8220;lemon grass beef with egg roll&#8221; (which is what the number &#8220;52&#8243; usually means to me in my own special OCD/Rainman way.)</p>
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		<title>By: 6 Degrees</title>
		<link>http://sacrag.com/2008/07/more-on-the-corti-move/#comment-45558</link>
		<dc:creator>6 Degrees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...how many comments on one post?!! I was absolutely stunned when I heard about Corti Bros losing their lease. All these (nearly 20) years I've been going there, I just kind of assumed they owned it. I am a little shocked at the situation and do think it was probably helped along by some behind-the-scenes dealings. However, bottom line is that losing a store like Corti Bros is a huge loss to our neighborhood. Sure, we have SaveMart and TJs within a 5 block radius, so it's not like we're going to *suffer* (like certain unnamed neighborhoods that haven't had a single grocery store since the 1980s). 

But, still, hate to lose something that is an integral part of the old-school feel of the 'hood, ya know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;how many comments on one post?!! I was absolutely stunned when I heard about Corti Bros losing their lease. All these (nearly 20) years I&#8217;ve been going there, I just kind of assumed they owned it. I am a little shocked at the situation and do think it was probably helped along by some behind-the-scenes dealings. However, bottom line is that losing a store like Corti Bros is a huge loss to our neighborhood. Sure, we have SaveMart and TJs within a 5 block radius, so it&#8217;s not like we&#8217;re going to *suffer* (like certain unnamed neighborhoods that haven&#8217;t had a single grocery store since the 1980s). </p>
<p>But, still, hate to lose something that is an integral part of the old-school feel of the &#8216;hood, ya know?</p>
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		<title>By: cnc</title>
		<link>http://sacrag.com/2008/07/more-on-the-corti-move/#comment-45520</link>
		<dc:creator>cnc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, 

I appreciated the discussion even though we were on opposite sides of the issue.  I also appreciate the fact that you are blogging about sac issues and events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, </p>
<p>I appreciated the discussion even though we were on opposite sides of the issue.  I also appreciate the fact that you are blogging about sac issues and events.</p>
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		<title>By: CoolDMZ</title>
		<link>http://sacrag.com/2008/07/more-on-the-corti-move/#comment-45513</link>
		<dc:creator>CoolDMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, the only kind of pass available is a day pass. You think I'd let you sleep there?

Anyway I'm sure we both understand public comment on business licenses and stuff, its merits and so forth. I get that I'm not going to make an impact in this matter on people who feel passionately about Cortis. Good talk!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, the only kind of pass available is a day pass. You think I&#8217;d let you sleep there?</p>
<p>Anyway I&#8217;m sure we both understand public comment on business licenses and stuff, its merits and so forth. I get that I&#8217;m not going to make an impact in this matter on people who feel passionately about Cortis. Good talk!</p>
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		<title>By: cnc</title>
		<link>http://sacrag.com/2008/07/more-on-the-corti-move/#comment-45511</link>
		<dc:creator>cnc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never said he had to seek out this opportunity, but the article in the bee stated that his partner brought the location to his attention, and he acted on it.  It was convenient that he was able to kill two birds with one stone.  It made sense from a business standpoint to do it, and had this been a sporting event I would have stood up and applauded it as a brilliant tactical move.  But its not and I see it as poor move in terms of establishing good will in the community.

At the time of the approval the project, the final locations for the Good Eats project included only the Andiamo site and 2 locations to be determined later.  I doubt anyone would have not approved of the concept.  Heck I was behind the project and was eagerly awaiting the Andiamo location opening until the deal that forced Corti out of its current location was disclosed.

I think that we should be able to nix deals, and we do it all the time.  People\communities nix deals for liquor stores, gas stations, bars etc. because they have a negative impact on the community.  I'm not saying that good eats is a bad idea or a negative impact on the community by its nature, but the way they went about implimenting the project does have a negative impact and had it been known ahead of time that the choice for east sac would be Corti or Good Eats, I'm guessing most would have chosen Corti.  The project as it was originally laid would have been Corti and Good Eats... a very different scenario.

LOL I don't even think I want a day pass to your community ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said he had to seek out this opportunity, but the article in the bee stated that his partner brought the location to his attention, and he acted on it.  It was convenient that he was able to kill two birds with one stone.  It made sense from a business standpoint to do it, and had this been a sporting event I would have stood up and applauded it as a brilliant tactical move.  But its not and I see it as poor move in terms of establishing good will in the community.</p>
<p>At the time of the approval the project, the final locations for the Good Eats project included only the Andiamo site and 2 locations to be determined later.  I doubt anyone would have not approved of the concept.  Heck I was behind the project and was eagerly awaiting the Andiamo location opening until the deal that forced Corti out of its current location was disclosed.</p>
<p>I think that we should be able to nix deals, and we do it all the time.  People\communities nix deals for liquor stores, gas stations, bars etc. because they have a negative impact on the community.  I&#8217;m not saying that good eats is a bad idea or a negative impact on the community by its nature, but the way they went about implimenting the project does have a negative impact and had it been known ahead of time that the choice for east sac would be Corti or Good Eats, I&#8217;m guessing most would have chosen Corti.  The project as it was originally laid would have been Corti and Good Eats&#8230; a very different scenario.</p>
<p>LOL I don&#8217;t even think I want a day pass to your community <img src='http://sacrag.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: CoolDMZ</title>
		<link>http://sacrag.com/2008/07/more-on-the-corti-move/#comment-45510</link>
		<dc:creator>CoolDMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cnc: I never said communities should not be involved. I'm sure there was an opportunity for citizens to protest Good Eats' licensing etc. I don't think it is normal for there to be a process where citizens can nix a deal like this one because we don't like the new tenant. 

I don't understand why Teel would have to seek a location for his store while guaranteeing that the current occupant of the location was "still in the picture." And until I know otherwise, I do assume that everything that happened before Corti offered to sell his business was OK. What I am saying is that it speaks to his desire to stay in business as Corti Bros.

I hope you have applied for your gate pass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cnc: I never said communities should not be involved. I&#8217;m sure there was an opportunity for citizens to protest Good Eats&#8217; licensing etc. I don&#8217;t think it is normal for there to be a process where citizens can nix a deal like this one because we don&#8217;t like the new tenant. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand why Teel would have to seek a location for his store while guaranteeing that the current occupant of the location was &#8220;still in the picture.&#8221; And until I know otherwise, I do assume that everything that happened before Corti offered to sell his business was OK. What I am saying is that it speaks to his desire to stay in business as Corti Bros.</p>
<p>I hope you have applied for your gate pass.</p>
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		<title>By: cnc</title>
		<link>http://sacrag.com/2008/07/more-on-the-corti-move/#comment-45509</link>
		<dc:creator>cnc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At times he does, but he also highly recommends shopping local markets and building good relationships with those businesses.  If there was a Corti's near where he does his show, I'm sure he would shop there...

Your case is flimsy... =P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At times he does, but he also highly recommends shopping local markets and building good relationships with those businesses.  If there was a Corti&#8217;s near where he does his show, I&#8217;m sure he would shop there&#8230;</p>
<p>Your case is flimsy&#8230; =P</p>
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		<title>By: sac-eats</title>
		<link>http://sacrag.com/2008/07/more-on-the-corti-move/#comment-45507</link>
		<dc:creator>sac-eats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alton Brown shops at Whole Foods.  I rest my case.</description>
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		<title>By: CoolDMZ</title>
		<link>http://sacrag.com/2008/07/more-on-the-corti-move/#comment-45506</link>
		<dc:creator>CoolDMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>littlecat8: You are welcome to visit my community anytime. However you must receive a pass at the front gate, and that pass must be worn at all times. My police force has been instructed to fire at will on any intruders not wearing the pass. I cannot stress enough the importance of wearing the pass prominently. Also do not bring any fruit from cnc's community as my secret intelligence officers tell me it is poisoned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>littlecat8: You are welcome to visit my community anytime. However you must receive a pass at the front gate, and that pass must be worn at all times. My police force has been instructed to fire at will on any intruders not wearing the pass. I cannot stress enough the importance of wearing the pass prominently. Also do not bring any fruit from cnc&#8217;s community as my secret intelligence officers tell me it is poisoned.</p>
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		<title>By: cnc</title>
		<link>http://sacrag.com/2008/07/more-on-the-corti-move/#comment-45504</link>
		<dc:creator>cnc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never said the idea was bad, I actually said I liked the good eats concept, I never said it was big money vs small corti, I said the way the deal came about was bad, it appears to be done in a way that guaranteed that Corti was out of the picture for Teel's project or at least minimalized Coriti.  

I never said that the planning board would have nixed the project.  I was responding to your philosophy that communities should not be involved, and that only market forces should dictate what businesses should take place in a community.  

I have responded to your comment about Corti making a counter to Teel, and you seem to think that since Corti made a counter offer to Teel that somehow makes every that happened before that ok.  In my mind it doesn't.  At the time Corti made his counter offer, he had lost his lease.  His options were and are limited.  If he wanted to continue doing business in east sac at the current location he would have to strike a deal with Teel.  Otherwise he would have to look elsewhere.  Having to strike a deal with the devil doesn't absolve the initial sin which set all these issues in motion to begin with, which you seem to want to do.

Alton Brown would agree with me  =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said the idea was bad, I actually said I liked the good eats concept, I never said it was big money vs small corti, I said the way the deal came about was bad, it appears to be done in a way that guaranteed that Corti was out of the picture for Teel&#8217;s project or at least minimalized Coriti.  </p>
<p>I never said that the planning board would have nixed the project.  I was responding to your philosophy that communities should not be involved, and that only market forces should dictate what businesses should take place in a community.  </p>
<p>I have responded to your comment about Corti making a counter to Teel, and you seem to think that since Corti made a counter offer to Teel that somehow makes every that happened before that ok.  In my mind it doesn&#8217;t.  At the time Corti made his counter offer, he had lost his lease.  His options were and are limited.  If he wanted to continue doing business in east sac at the current location he would have to strike a deal with Teel.  Otherwise he would have to look elsewhere.  Having to strike a deal with the devil doesn&#8217;t absolve the initial sin which set all these issues in motion to begin with, which you seem to want to do.</p>
<p>Alton Brown would agree with me  =)</p>
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		<title>By: CoolDMZ</title>
		<link>http://sacrag.com/2008/07/more-on-the-corti-move/#comment-45499</link>
		<dc:creator>CoolDMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt any oversight board would have found this inappropriate. And again, Darrell Corti offered his services to Good Eats, so it can't be all that bad. 

More importantly, how does &lt;a href="http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/show_ea" rel="nofollow"&gt;Alton Brown&lt;/a&gt; feel about this whole deal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt any oversight board would have found this inappropriate. And again, Darrell Corti offered his services to Good Eats, so it can&#8217;t be all that bad. </p>
<p>More importantly, how does <a href="http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/show_ea" rel="nofollow">Alton Brown</a> feel about this whole deal?</p>
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		<title>By: littlecat8</title>
		<link>http://sacrag.com/2008/07/more-on-the-corti-move/#comment-45498</link>
		<dc:creator>littlecat8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I had the choice, I would rather live in cnc's community...a place where traditions and people matter.  Hope Corti's stays nearby...I love that place!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had the choice, I would rather live in cnc&#8217;s community&#8230;a place where traditions and people matter.  Hope Corti&#8217;s stays nearby&#8230;I love that place!</p>
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		<title>By: cnc</title>
		<link>http://sacrag.com/2008/07/more-on-the-corti-move/#comment-45496</link>
		<dc:creator>cnc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We will most likely have to agree to disagree on this.  But local community involvement is done at every level from state and federal (EIR/EIS) to local communities (planning boards and community districts).  It has nothing to do with Davis, it has everything to do with having a say in the quality of life you intend to have.  If business are left to their own without any oversite you will find yourself with some pretty unpleasant situations.  Its planning boards and communties that can and should dictate what businesses are appropriate for their area and what the appearances those businesses take.  Why do you think the downtown of Davis, Santa Barbara, East Sac, Landpark look the way they do?  Its because there are requirements placed on businesses.  Why do you think Natamos and Elk Grove look the way they do?  Because they cater to what business wants.  Perhaps you wouldn't mind places like east sac, landpark, and the like looking like Natamos, but I do.  Go figure...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We will most likely have to agree to disagree on this.  But local community involvement is done at every level from state and federal (EIR/EIS) to local communities (planning boards and community districts).  It has nothing to do with Davis, it has everything to do with having a say in the quality of life you intend to have.  If business are left to their own without any oversite you will find yourself with some pretty unpleasant situations.  Its planning boards and communties that can and should dictate what businesses are appropriate for their area and what the appearances those businesses take.  Why do you think the downtown of Davis, Santa Barbara, East Sac, Landpark look the way they do?  Its because there are requirements placed on businesses.  Why do you think Natamos and Elk Grove look the way they do?  Because they cater to what business wants.  Perhaps you wouldn&#8217;t mind places like east sac, landpark, and the like looking like Natamos, but I do.  Go figure&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CoolDMZ</title>
		<link>http://sacrag.com/2008/07/more-on-the-corti-move/#comment-45490</link>
		<dc:creator>CoolDMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We're definitely going to have to agree to disagree on this, cnc, as you're probably not willing to accept my proposition that this whole deal does not boil down simply to "big money" Teel vs poor little old grocer Corti. And that is totally fine, I just hope some people might see it in a new light. As I said, I completely understand the love of Corti's. The things you're mentioning--public involvement, counter offers from a month-to-month tenant, etc.--are not usual business practices I don't think, though I have no idea. Does sound kinda Davis-y to me too :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re definitely going to have to agree to disagree on this, cnc, as you&#8217;re probably not willing to accept my proposition that this whole deal does not boil down simply to &#8220;big money&#8221; Teel vs poor little old grocer Corti. And that is totally fine, I just hope some people might see it in a new light. As I said, I completely understand the love of Corti&#8217;s. The things you&#8217;re mentioning&#8211;public involvement, counter offers from a month-to-month tenant, etc.&#8211;are not usual business practices I don&#8217;t think, though I have no idea. Does sound kinda Davis-y to me too <img src='http://sacrag.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: sac-eats</title>
		<link>http://sacrag.com/2008/07/more-on-the-corti-move/#comment-45489</link>
		<dc:creator>sac-eats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Community involvement??? What is this, Davis?</description>
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		<title>By: cnc</title>
		<link>http://sacrag.com/2008/07/more-on-the-corti-move/#comment-45487</link>
		<dc:creator>cnc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said we don't know the details of the offer beyond what the newspaper mentioned.  Teel did make an offer to keep the Corti name and at the location, but beyond that we have no idea what it would have meant.  We know that Corti countered that offer after he had lost his rental agreement and it seems to me to be more of a "FU" type of response to Teel's initial "mending fences" offer than a serious counter.  I am certainly glad neither offer was taken seriously by the other party as I don't have much faith that Teel would kept Corti involved in anything more than name.

The deal that Teel made with the landlord was to double the current rent, and given the nature of the project "gormet specialty grocery" it probably includes capital improvements which Teel is most likely on the hook for since the landlord hadn't made any improvements on the property in 20 years.  I was suggesting that it was far cheaper for Teel to out bid Corti on the lease with what appears to be a back-room deal with the current landlord, make a some capital improvements, and be still well ahead financially and successfully removed Corti as local compitition to his project.  It's a great move from a purely financial perspective.  A great financial/business move by Teel.  But that's not all there is to business, there is the issue of what impact that may have on the community.  And that's the part that Teel, the landowner, and apparently you don't get.

I think many people would have been ok with a month to month lease at those rates.  Sure Corti could have left at any time, but the point is they didn't.  They stayed there for 20 plus years.  And that in part says something about their commitment to east sac.  The only reason they are leaving now is because Teel forced the issue by signing a deal with the landlord.  To me that is forced out.

I can understand wanting more money for your property, Im just not down with how the whole process came about.  If there had been an open bid period where Corti had been allowed to make a counter to Teel's offer, If there had been some community involvement in the decision, then I would been ok with how it turned out,  But Corti wasn't given that opportunity, and neither was the community and now Corti is forced to leave and probably leave east sac.  And possibly close up shop all together, and that bothers me alot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said we don&#8217;t know the details of the offer beyond what the newspaper mentioned.  Teel did make an offer to keep the Corti name and at the location, but beyond that we have no idea what it would have meant.  We know that Corti countered that offer after he had lost his rental agreement and it seems to me to be more of a &#8220;FU&#8221; type of response to Teel&#8217;s initial &#8220;mending fences&#8221; offer than a serious counter.  I am certainly glad neither offer was taken seriously by the other party as I don&#8217;t have much faith that Teel would kept Corti involved in anything more than name.</p>
<p>The deal that Teel made with the landlord was to double the current rent, and given the nature of the project &#8220;gormet specialty grocery&#8221; it probably includes capital improvements which Teel is most likely on the hook for since the landlord hadn&#8217;t made any improvements on the property in 20 years.  I was suggesting that it was far cheaper for Teel to out bid Corti on the lease with what appears to be a back-room deal with the current landlord, make a some capital improvements, and be still well ahead financially and successfully removed Corti as local compitition to his project.  It&#8217;s a great move from a purely financial perspective.  A great financial/business move by Teel.  But that&#8217;s not all there is to business, there is the issue of what impact that may have on the community.  And that&#8217;s the part that Teel, the landowner, and apparently you don&#8217;t get.</p>
<p>I think many people would have been ok with a month to month lease at those rates.  Sure Corti could have left at any time, but the point is they didn&#8217;t.  They stayed there for 20 plus years.  And that in part says something about their commitment to east sac.  The only reason they are leaving now is because Teel forced the issue by signing a deal with the landlord.  To me that is forced out.</p>
<p>I can understand wanting more money for your property, Im just not down with how the whole process came about.  If there had been an open bid period where Corti had been allowed to make a counter to Teel&#8217;s offer, If there had been some community involvement in the decision, then I would been ok with how it turned out,  But Corti wasn&#8217;t given that opportunity, and neither was the community and now Corti is forced to leave and probably leave east sac.  And possibly close up shop all together, and that bothers me alot.</p>
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		<title>By: CoolDMZ</title>
		<link>http://sacrag.com/2008/07/more-on-the-corti-move/#comment-45480</link>
		<dc:creator>CoolDMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cnc: Teel did make an offer to Corti to have him involved in the new business: http://www.sacbee.com/103/story/1127916.html

I think you're mostly concerned with the Teel angle, and honestly I haven't given much thought to that side of the equation. I'm merely feeling contrarian on seeing Corti as a victim here. Teel's project did not "remove them from the community" any more than Corti's being OK with having a month to month lease for 20 years did. Remember, that means he could have left the landowner in the lurch with 30 days notice too. They were getting bottom barrel rent from a client who could have bolted with no notice. Maybe they turned down offers in the past 20 years, but you can't really blame them for taking a hard deal for more money.

Also this doesn't make a lick of sense: 

"24k/mo over a couple of years plus capital improvements is a lot less than the 2 million it would have taken to appease Corti"

The $2 million offer was for Teel to BUY Corti out. Shouldn't you be thanking Teel for turning that down, freeing up Corti to open up shop in a new location? Sure, Corti might have rebounded and opened a new venture. But it would not necessarily have been the same thing--after all, he would have then been on the payroll at Good Eats.

And hey, if Good Eats is good enough for Darrel Corti, shouldn't it be good enough for you? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cnc: Teel did make an offer to Corti to have him involved in the new business: <a href="http://www.sacbee.com/103/story/1127916.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sacbee.com/103/story/1127916.html</a></p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re mostly concerned with the Teel angle, and honestly I haven&#8217;t given much thought to that side of the equation. I&#8217;m merely feeling contrarian on seeing Corti as a victim here. Teel&#8217;s project did not &#8220;remove them from the community&#8221; any more than Corti&#8217;s being OK with having a month to month lease for 20 years did. Remember, that means he could have left the landowner in the lurch with 30 days notice too. They were getting bottom barrel rent from a client who could have bolted with no notice. Maybe they turned down offers in the past 20 years, but you can&#8217;t really blame them for taking a hard deal for more money.</p>
<p>Also this doesn&#8217;t make a lick of sense: </p>
<p>&#8220;24k/mo over a couple of years plus capital improvements is a lot less than the 2 million it would have taken to appease Corti&#8221;</p>
<p>The $2 million offer was for Teel to BUY Corti out. Shouldn&#8217;t you be thanking Teel for turning that down, freeing up Corti to open up shop in a new location? Sure, Corti might have rebounded and opened a new venture. But it would not necessarily have been the same thing&#8211;after all, he would have then been on the payroll at Good Eats.</p>
<p>And hey, if Good Eats is good enough for Darrel Corti, shouldn&#8217;t it be good enough for you? <img src='http://sacrag.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: cnc</title>
		<link>http://sacrag.com/2008/07/more-on-the-corti-move/#comment-45478</link>
		<dc:creator>cnc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't have blind devotion to Corti, but I do base my position on the way they have interacted with the community over the years, and that they have been a solid member of the community for over 20 years.

I think with the unanswered questions you have to ask why.

Why wasn't Corti brought into the negotiations before they were completed?  Wouldn't that have been in the best interest in the landowner to get the best possible deal?  A reasonable conclusion is that Teel didn't want Corti involved, and the only leverage he has with regards to that issue is to revoke is offer.  So that would explain why Corti didn't hear about the negotiations until after the deal was completed.

Doesn't it strike you as strange that the details of Teel's offer to Corti were not revealed, but the details of Corti's offer was?  It strikes me that it was revealed to paint Corti as someone willing to sell out the community for the right price, And while Teel saw that as being to much to spend to "mend fences" it allowed him to paint Corti is a less positive light.  A reasonable conclusion was that neither offer by Teel or Corti were made as serious offers...

Don't you find it curious that details of Teel's offer to the landlord were not revealed beyond the new monthly price.  A reasonable conclusion is that Teel offered to make capital improvements on the property.  Something that the owner was unwilling to do for Corti as wittnessed by the lack of any capital improvements by the owner over the last 20 years.

Isn't it convenient that by spending 24k plus potential capital improvements that Teel manages to remove a competitor that was slated to take in 8 million dollars in revenue this year...  24k/mo over a couple of years plus capital improvements is a lot less than the 2 million it would have taken to appease Corti and it removes the compitition from the area he wanted to set up shop in... 

Teel's track record with business projects in the community have been suspect in the past.  Corti's has not.

So yeah I have a bias towards Corti as a fantastic local grocery that catered to my needs and provided great customer service and food to this community, and I am not inclined to support a project that removes them from my community.

Teel may have a good idea, but he didn't have to build it at Corti's expense.  He could have chosen to just use the Andiamo location.  He chose to persue aggressive capitalistic tactics to achieve his goals.  Perfectly in his right to do so.  It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.  And I don't think anything he will be selling will be able to wash away that bad taste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have blind devotion to Corti, but I do base my position on the way they have interacted with the community over the years, and that they have been a solid member of the community for over 20 years.</p>
<p>I think with the unanswered questions you have to ask why.</p>
<p>Why wasn&#8217;t Corti brought into the negotiations before they were completed?  Wouldn&#8217;t that have been in the best interest in the landowner to get the best possible deal?  A reasonable conclusion is that Teel didn&#8217;t want Corti involved, and the only leverage he has with regards to that issue is to revoke is offer.  So that would explain why Corti didn&#8217;t hear about the negotiations until after the deal was completed.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t it strike you as strange that the details of Teel&#8217;s offer to Corti were not revealed, but the details of Corti&#8217;s offer was?  It strikes me that it was revealed to paint Corti as someone willing to sell out the community for the right price, And while Teel saw that as being to much to spend to &#8220;mend fences&#8221; it allowed him to paint Corti is a less positive light.  A reasonable conclusion was that neither offer by Teel or Corti were made as serious offers&#8230;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you find it curious that details of Teel&#8217;s offer to the landlord were not revealed beyond the new monthly price.  A reasonable conclusion is that Teel offered to make capital improvements on the property.  Something that the owner was unwilling to do for Corti as wittnessed by the lack of any capital improvements by the owner over the last 20 years.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it convenient that by spending 24k plus potential capital improvements that Teel manages to remove a competitor that was slated to take in 8 million dollars in revenue this year&#8230;  24k/mo over a couple of years plus capital improvements is a lot less than the 2 million it would have taken to appease Corti and it removes the compitition from the area he wanted to set up shop in&#8230; </p>
<p>Teel&#8217;s track record with business projects in the community have been suspect in the past.  Corti&#8217;s has not.</p>
<p>So yeah I have a bias towards Corti as a fantastic local grocery that catered to my needs and provided great customer service and food to this community, and I am not inclined to support a project that removes them from my community.</p>
<p>Teel may have a good idea, but he didn&#8217;t have to build it at Corti&#8217;s expense.  He could have chosen to just use the Andiamo location.  He chose to persue aggressive capitalistic tactics to achieve his goals.  Perfectly in his right to do so.  It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.  And I don&#8217;t think anything he will be selling will be able to wash away that bad taste.</p>
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		<title>By: CoolDMZ</title>
		<link>http://sacrag.com/2008/07/more-on-the-corti-move/#comment-45423</link>
		<dc:creator>CoolDMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cnc: Hi, thanks for the visit. If we're just going with what we know, then we have to cross out most of your argument. You admit that it is based on your "best guess" that there was a shady back-room deal. You don't know that.

We do know one other thing, which is that when Corti did have the opportunity to offer something, he offered to SELL the business. You simply can't make the argument that Corti's has been "forced out" of that location knowing that. I'm not saying selling your business is not being a good community citizen, I just don't get the blind devotion on the basis of Corti's status as a local icon if much of what is causing this situation is easily perceived as Corti's lack of commitment to the area. 

At this point if he reopens at a new location, won't that appear to be Plan B because cashing in didn't work? It's making me think of...

&lt;blockquote&gt;Basil Exposition: Austin, the Cold War is over! 
Austin Powers: Finally those capitalist pigs will pay for their crimes, eh? Eh comrades? Eh? 
Basil Exposition: Austin... we won. 
Austin Powers: Oh, smashing, groovy, yay capitalism!&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cnc: Hi, thanks for the visit. If we&#8217;re just going with what we know, then we have to cross out most of your argument. You admit that it is based on your &#8220;best guess&#8221; that there was a shady back-room deal. You don&#8217;t know that.</p>
<p>We do know one other thing, which is that when Corti did have the opportunity to offer something, he offered to SELL the business. You simply can&#8217;t make the argument that Corti&#8217;s has been &#8220;forced out&#8221; of that location knowing that. I&#8217;m not saying selling your business is not being a good community citizen, I just don&#8217;t get the blind devotion on the basis of Corti&#8217;s status as a local icon if much of what is causing this situation is easily perceived as Corti&#8217;s lack of commitment to the area. </p>
<p>At this point if he reopens at a new location, won&#8217;t that appear to be Plan B because cashing in didn&#8217;t work? It&#8217;s making me think of&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>Basil Exposition: Austin, the Cold War is over!<br />
Austin Powers: Finally those capitalist pigs will pay for their crimes, eh? Eh comrades? Eh?<br />
Basil Exposition: Austin&#8230; we won.<br />
Austin Powers: Oh, smashing, groovy, yay capitalism!</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: sac-eats</title>
		<link>http://sacrag.com/2008/07/more-on-the-corti-move/#comment-45404</link>
		<dc:creator>sac-eats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 04:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since Corti will never be able to top the location at the Arden Food Circus, I think it's better he call it a day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Corti will never be able to top the location at the Arden Food Circus, I think it&#8217;s better he call it a day.</p>
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		<title>By: cnc</title>
		<link>http://sacrag.com/2008/07/more-on-the-corti-move/#comment-45394</link>
		<dc:creator>cnc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of things we don't know about this situation, but some of the things we do know are that Corti was never given an opportunity to counter the Good Eats offer.  We know that Teel was looking for places to build his Good Eats project, and that he was looking for multiple locations.  We also know that by offering to double the lease (the terms of this lease is unknown beyond the 24k/mo price) they would eliminate a competitor and have potential a built in customer base.  We know that Teel attempted a "mending fences" offer to Corti, after they had a signed lease with the owners of the property, and that was rejected, but we don't know the details.  It may have been a completely insulting or inadequate offer, but we do know that The tone of bee article indicates that Teel felt the Corti counter offer was way out of line.

Could Corti have signed a longer lease?  We don't know, it takes two parties to sign a lease.  Its my best guess that the landowner was given a sweet deal by Teel that the owner could not turn down, and that successfully eliminated potential competition to his new pet project.  I think I it was done fast and on the sly with the landowner.  I think the Corti was not brought into the process or brought in after the fact was because it might have ruined the sweet deal the landlord had on the table with Teel.  I think Teel should realize that its bad for business to piss off a community when creating a new venture.  I think its bad for Sacramento that a local business has been forced out of its community simply for the persuit of the mighty dollar with no evaluation of its impact on the community as a whole.

People have complained that Corti didn't do much to improve the location, but we don't know how much leeway they had to make improvements to the property, and I can't blame them for not wanting to much capital into a location they could lose the rights to in 30 days.  The fact that the landowner didn't make any improvements to the property shows that they were not interested in the property beyond what it took to keep their existing tennant happy, and Corti couldn't really complain given what they were paying for rent...

Teel has had other business ventures fail miserably and has treated those projects with what looks to be outward indifference (prosper magazine).  He presented a picture of being completely supportive of that project up to the day he shut it down with no notice to the employees.  Completely his right, but its a pretty crappy way to treat people.  I mention this because it goes to the character issue when trying to get at motives and what may have happened between Corti, Teel and the landowner....

I will not support the good eats project, I will not recommend to anyone I know the good eats stores.  I will support Corti because its a local business that I like and has been a good community citizen and business for the east sac area, and I feel was treated poorly by back-room dealings by Teel and the landlord.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of things we don&#8217;t know about this situation, but some of the things we do know are that Corti was never given an opportunity to counter the Good Eats offer.  We know that Teel was looking for places to build his Good Eats project, and that he was looking for multiple locations.  We also know that by offering to double the lease (the terms of this lease is unknown beyond the 24k/mo price) they would eliminate a competitor and have potential a built in customer base.  We know that Teel attempted a &#8220;mending fences&#8221; offer to Corti, after they had a signed lease with the owners of the property, and that was rejected, but we don&#8217;t know the details.  It may have been a completely insulting or inadequate offer, but we do know that The tone of bee article indicates that Teel felt the Corti counter offer was way out of line.</p>
<p>Could Corti have signed a longer lease?  We don&#8217;t know, it takes two parties to sign a lease.  Its my best guess that the landowner was given a sweet deal by Teel that the owner could not turn down, and that successfully eliminated potential competition to his new pet project.  I think I it was done fast and on the sly with the landowner.  I think the Corti was not brought into the process or brought in after the fact was because it might have ruined the sweet deal the landlord had on the table with Teel.  I think Teel should realize that its bad for business to piss off a community when creating a new venture.  I think its bad for Sacramento that a local business has been forced out of its community simply for the persuit of the mighty dollar with no evaluation of its impact on the community as a whole.</p>
<p>People have complained that Corti didn&#8217;t do much to improve the location, but we don&#8217;t know how much leeway they had to make improvements to the property, and I can&#8217;t blame them for not wanting to much capital into a location they could lose the rights to in 30 days.  The fact that the landowner didn&#8217;t make any improvements to the property shows that they were not interested in the property beyond what it took to keep their existing tennant happy, and Corti couldn&#8217;t really complain given what they were paying for rent&#8230;</p>
<p>Teel has had other business ventures fail miserably and has treated those projects with what looks to be outward indifference (prosper magazine).  He presented a picture of being completely supportive of that project up to the day he shut it down with no notice to the employees.  Completely his right, but its a pretty crappy way to treat people.  I mention this because it goes to the character issue when trying to get at motives and what may have happened between Corti, Teel and the landowner&#8230;.</p>
<p>I will not support the good eats project, I will not recommend to anyone I know the good eats stores.  I will support Corti because its a local business that I like and has been a good community citizen and business for the east sac area, and I feel was treated poorly by back-room dealings by Teel and the landlord.</p>
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		<title>By: CoolDMZ</title>
		<link>http://sacrag.com/2008/07/more-on-the-corti-move/#comment-45285</link>
		<dc:creator>CoolDMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heckasac: Is the report in today's Bee--that Corti offered to sell his business rather than move it, after he lost his lease, and was rejected--the rumor you had heard? Because that makes my point and more! His offer included both selling his local business, and taking a million bucks for his services as a wine expert. 

My wife suggests Corti open a new wine-only business called Sour Grapes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heckasac: Is the report in today&#8217;s Bee&#8211;that Corti offered to sell his business rather than move it, after he lost his lease, and was rejected&#8211;the rumor you had heard? Because that makes my point and more! His offer included both selling his local business, and taking a million bucks for his services as a wine expert. </p>
<p>My wife suggests Corti open a new wine-only business called Sour Grapes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: HeyMeg</title>
		<link>http://sacrag.com/2008/07/more-on-the-corti-move/#comment-45261</link>
		<dc:creator>HeyMeg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if compromises were made, such as a tenant accepting property defects in exchange for a landlord accepting discounted rent, it doesn't make either party evil or anything. It just means they had a bargain they could live with. When one party no longer found the bargain beneficial it was terminated. I don't see anything controversial about that. Maybe a strip bar with a deli case will go in there though, that would be controversial. And gross.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if compromises were made, such as a tenant accepting property defects in exchange for a landlord accepting discounted rent, it doesn&#8217;t make either party evil or anything. It just means they had a bargain they could live with. When one party no longer found the bargain beneficial it was terminated. I don&#8217;t see anything controversial about that. Maybe a strip bar with a deli case will go in there though, that would be controversial. And gross.</p>
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