I don’t know about you folks, but I think there oughtta be more blog posts with my name in the title, like this one on Eyes For the Brambles. Jeff thinks that I am wrong about something, but I’m not sure what, as he agrees with me that a female teacher seducing a male student could be called a child molester. He calls me naive for wishing this double standard did not exist. Don’t read his fourth paragraph, it’s icky. I warned you.
The Sac Rag 
What a creepy and weird way of stating his opinion. Did it need to be so graphic? DMZ for what it’s worth, I agree with you that male and female sex offenders are equally disturbing and that possibly the media creates the image of a double-standard in the way it reports – I really want to say more but so sleepy huge turkey sandwich at lunch must have coffee. But at least wanted to register my agreement as inarticulate as it may be.
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HeyMeg, how about you just tell us when you *don’t* agree with DMZ. Otherwise, we’ll just take it for granted that you do.
No offense to all parties concerned, of course.
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DMZ.. i disagree with you also. because you are completely correct. but i disagree, and i’m always right. wtf??
i think this is why “editors” and “publishers” exist.
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As long as the teacher is attractive and the student Filipino, or any Pacific Islander derivation for that matter, then the gengeral public, especially men under the age of 30…what was I saying?
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In the words of DMZ, he kids the HeyMeg. SinghCity if you are feeling jealous I could send a little compliment your way too. You’re right Kevin Riggs looks like John Kerry and I join you in loving me some lonely cougars. Is that better? 🙂
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In my experience people almost always say “no offense” when they intended a very specific offense. What do you think, HeyMeg?
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andy: you are not unlike the illogical yang to my contrarian yin. Dude I totally just called you a yang.
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That’s so true DMZ. Right awn. Everybody happy? 🙂
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HeyMeg, no jealousy at all. It has just become redundant to read how you absolutely agree with DMZ on every issue he writes about – and that’s not an exaggeration. This is what I’m saying.
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SinghCity, are you serious?
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I suppose you would find it less redundant to hear me pick apart at every little detail on the internet just to make myself feel important but you’ll have to forgive me for refraining from that – it seems there are plenty of others filling that role.
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I see where Eyes is coming from. Sex offenses committed by men are usually more violent and forceful, and I think the contents of his graphic rant illustrate that in a way that we sometimes like to ignore.
Nevertheless, not all male sex offenders who are sex offenders under the blanket of being a man of a certain age who has sex with a girl who is somewhat younger than him, and below the legal age of consent are violent sex offenders.
In the case where you have, side by side, two teachers who are in their late 20’s/early 30’s who has sex with a student who is 15, 16, 17 and one is a male teacher with a female student, and one who is a female teacher with a male student (and I know I’m treading into the waters of being overly specific, which now goes beyond the intents of CoolD’s and…that other dude’s, but so be it) and neither committed physically violent acts, do we then treat it differently? Is asking that question splitting hairs?
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At least no-one compared CoolMeg to a scat flinging monkey… We’ve got that going for us.
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I have a rule of only chiming in on The Rag when any of three conditions occur:
1. To agree with Cool;
2. To get Meg’s back; or
3. To point out when people like SinghCity or Obdurate are acting like assholes.
Funny enough, all three things happen on this very post. Consider me chimed.
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I wanted to say something snarky about how I hope Obdurate’s reference to a past comment that made him seem like kind of a dick made him feel more clever and good about himself because other than that the repetition really had no redeeming value, but then I got distracted by thinking how much cuter of a nickname CoolMeg would be. So now I’m forced to say thank you.
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Do we really want to mete out punishment for crimes proportionate to the number and severity of crimes committed by people who share the criminal’s demographics? I’m pretty sure that we don’t.
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DMZ I disagree – I think it would be GREAT!
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I agree
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This is Jeff (Brambles). Long thread. Anyway, to address CoolDMZ’s point that we both agree that the teacher is a “child molester.” This isn’t quite right. I agree that what she did is wrong and should be agaist the law, but I’m not sure a sixteen-year-old boy is really a child. He is a young man. He is also a minor and should be protected under the law from adults who want to have sex with minors. But I think it is more wrong to have sex with a prepubesant child than with a young adult. Otherwise, you would be calling your forebears child molesters, as women were routinely married off at puberity in the old days. I would also assert that the public is less inclinded to view the young man who has sex with an older woman as a victim. I presume you have seen at least one or two movies in which the young man visits a brothel and earns his “manhood.” these episodes are usually played for laughs. I argued in my post that there are understandable reasons for the double standard. The main reasons are that men do the majority of sexual abusing and their abusing is uglier. I won’t repeat my penis theory, as it seems to have offended the fragile sensibilities of some of the readers.
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Jeff: You were actually the first person to use the phrase “child molester” in this whole deal. “In other words, CoolDMZ is saying that the female teacher is a child molester and should be viewed the same way we view male child molesters.” So we agree that having sex with a minor is wrong. Super.
But then you say it is “more wrong to have sex with a prepubescent child than with a young adult.” Damn straight. But I never said anything about having sex with children. You brought that up. It’s more wrong to kill everyone on the planet with a Destructo-Ray than to have sex with a prepubescent child. Jeff, care to comment?
I’ll go ahead and ignore the part about whether or not I’ve seen “Porky’s”…
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Yeah, I think we may be arguing past each other. I took you to mean in your original post that the media was going out of its way to downplay the severity of the teacher’s crime in their coverage when they should have been treating her as they would any other child molster or rapist. My point was the public already views these teacher/student cases in a different light than they do the typical case of a step-dad touching his step-daughter inappropriately or whatever. Then I offered some reasons why I thought there was this double standard of moral outrage. In other words, I see the media as just taking the consenus view of this crime.
Let me also say that I work at a mental health crisis center for kids, and I can tell you there are more vile things being done to kids in Sacto than what the teacher did, and none of them get the kind of play in the media that the teacher story has gotten. Again, I believe this is because it titliates us a little bit more than it repulses us, although we may mask the titilation by pretending that the phenomenon of horny school teachers is much more of a public menance than it actually is.
I hope this clears up any misunderstandings i might have caused. My arguing chops are really rusty.
Finally, as for me calling you naive, I don’t know why i always have to go on the attack when I have something critical to say about another blog post. It’s a bad blogging habit. I think we have a legitimate disagreement about why the media treated the story as it did, but it is probably not so wide as to start manning the battle stations. My bad.
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Well, apparently you’d catch as much hell for agreeing with me, so I think you did the right thing. I’m sure you’d agree that “the consensus” does not always represent the right idea or the right side of an issue. Don’t doubt your blogging skills!
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I’m verklempt. That was a touching display of blog-manlove.
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jeff: “your soo wrong dmz!”
dmz: “no YOUR so wrong jeff!”
jeff: “wait.. what?”
dmz: “umm.. i dunno”
jeff: “lets never fight again”
dmz: “yeah i hate fighting with you”
jeff/dmz: “i love you man…”
oooooo… you just got YANG’ed! 😀
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we hugged it out, bitches
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Little does Jeff know, Cool DMZ is only 14 years old!!!!!!
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As a FORMER mental health professional (now in need of mental health professionals), I talked with many men who were seduced by women when they were boys..some were their mothers.
Women can’t be forceful when it comes to rape. They are manipulative, seductive, and prey on their victims..just like true pedophiles.
No matter what some people choose to believe about male fantasies, the rape and sexual abuse of a boy by an adult female leaves deep and lasting scars..at least for the ones that I treated.
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